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  • #367
    nikita
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    Hi, all –

    DU and all my cohorts have been in my thoughts a lot these days. I just hope you’re all floating along as best you can right now!

    How are y’all coping? Any books you’re reading or writing projects you want to talk about?

    I just binge-read Lathe of Heaven by Ursula LeGuin, which was almost ~too~ appropriate for this era (especially since I live in the city it was set in). I’ve also been finalizing that story “Such a Peach” for (I hope) the last time, and working on my novel. I’m distracted a lot and panic-refreshing my news ticker, but I’m grateful for some creativity to keep me afloat.

    I’d love to hear from you all right now! Share what you’re up to!

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    • #446
      Joe Menchaca
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      Greeting All,
      Hope you all have a safe and enjoyable Fourth of July.
      As the news sinks deeper into a grim new reality, I thought a little fun might be in order. I found this notice of a poetic form challenge from Writer’s Digest in my inbox the other day and thought it might be fun to try. The form is called viator. I’ve not heard of the form and don’t know if it’s old or recently invented but looks like it might be fun to play around with. Deadline is less than two weeks away.
      Speaking of poetry…I wrote a poem about a month ago but had not been satisfied with the ending. Until I read “Why Do Some Mathematicians Think They’re Poets?” in my Lit Hub feed—an intriguing article in which the author, Susan D’Agostino, explores the parallels between poetry and mathematics. When I read the paragraph about Klein’s bottle, it was like finding missing car keys. The attached file is the poem.

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      • #463
        nikita
        Participant

        I love this poem of yours. The simplicity of the structure really lends itself to the words :). Have you tried submitting it somewhere?

        Even if you haven’t, it’s just some magic of its own to write and create. Sometimes a good poem structure can be as soothing as a crossword puzzle, I think.

      • #449
        Joseph.h
        Keymaster

        I like this, Joe! It puts me in mind of Pablo Neruda’s late collection The Book of Questions, beautifully translated by William O’Daly. Each poem is in couplets, and each couplet is a question. For example:

        XXV

        Why did the grove undress itself
        only to wait for the snow?

        And how do we know which is God
        among the Gods of Calcutta?

        Why do all silkworms
        live so raggedly?

        Why is it so hard, the sweetness
        of the heart of the cherry?

        Is it because it must die
        or because it must carry on?

        • #452
          Joe Menchaca
          Participant

          Thank you Joe. Ironic the poem evokes Neruda. A couple of weeks ago I submitted some poems to Rattle magazine and in my bio I say, ““I don’t consider myself a poet. Why, then, do I write poems? The short answer is I don’t. I believe I’m simply a conduit through which poems write themselves. Regardless of the poem, however, my goal is accessibility because I feel as Pablo Neruda that if one can’t read their poem to a fruit vendor, a construction worker, or a crossing guard, the poem has little value.” I’m trusting poet Willie Perdomo who wrote that it is how Neruda felt. I found it reassuring that I share an opinion about poetry with such a heavyweight; I feel my work is less tangential to accepted norms and feel encouraged to continue exploring the genre. Maybe someday I’ll be able to channel the subtlety of that first couplet:
          “Why did the grove undress itself
          only to wait for the snow?”
          What a lovely way to describe the period during fall when trees lose their leaves while contemplating paradoxes in the way nature works.

      • #448
        Sally Gates
        Participant

        Hi Joe!
        I love your poem. I like the way in circles through thought to kind of land us upside-down. I checked out the viator example and loved it too. I don’t know if I’ll post one, but I’m going to try to write one. You have a good weekend!
        Sally

        • #451
          Joe Menchaca
          Participant

          Thank you for the kind words, Sally. Sometimes words just flow and in those moments I am reminded of Colum McCann who says that his writing process is often just “opening up the windows and letting it come in.” Of course, once you let “it” come in, the hard work begins, which McCann acknowledges.

          You and I are on the same page regarding the viator; I thought it would be a fun form to play with but don’t plan on submitting it to the contest.

    • #375
      Joe Menchaca
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      Greetings Sally, Nikita, Joe, et. al.,
      I can relate to your isolation, Sally. Although I’m not physically isolated, I have been, in a sense, academically quarantined over the past five years while I studied first for a Bachelor’s and then a Master’s. But with a large—very large—extended family, the current level of isolation was nearly impossible. So, it seems strangely quiet these days without relatives dropping by unannounced or someone calling because they need help with this or that. I’m okay with that because basically, I’m a loner—maybe because I spent most of my early years on farms and in rural areas, or maybe I’m just wired that way. I do, however, miss spending time with my kids and grandkids, which has been the most difficult part of the current situation.

      But I have been staying busy. As I mentioned in a new forum topic (that hasn’t shown up yet and I’m not sure why), I’ve been reading Words Are My Matter: Writings on Life and Books by Ursula K. Le Guin (fascinating serendipity in connecting with Le Guin, eh Nikita?). The book is not sci-fi, and I must admit I’ve not read any of her novels but, wow, I agree, Joe, she is a real genius. The depth of her insights regarding craft are dazzling in their understated brilliance, and her comments on the business side of literature are so thought provoking they simply blow me away. I highly recommend the book. In addition, I recently read Pale Horse, Pale Rider by Kathrine Anne Porter, a novel about the 1918 influenza pandemic which Porter barely survived, and am reading Stories of Your Life and Others, a collection of short stories by Ted Chiang.

      As well, I’m re-reading The Tao of Physics and reading The Dancing Wu Li Masters. Both are different perspectives on quantum physics and its striking parallels to Eastern spiritual philosophies. The books are research material for the novel I’m working on, which I’ve tentatively titled Quantum Wave Surfer, a story which has, as Saunders calls it, locked up on me and I’m stuck. So, Joe, the advice you gave Sally to keep writing was quite encouraging, particularly the advice to work on other stories. Since getting stuck, I’ve been tempted to set aside the novel and work on other stories but so far, the powerful social conditioning mantra finish what you started! has proven difficult to resist—or maybe I’m just stubborn. Regardless, I’m finding it difficult to move on to another story. But your advice reinforces what Saunders said about letting a story sit when he got stuck and then coming back to it. Hearing it from two very credible sources gives me the impetus I need to overcome my resistance to moving on. I’m just hoping it doesn’t take me fourteen years to find a solution outside the “plane of [my] original conception”—Ha!

      • #390
        Joseph.h
        Keymaster

        Just FYI, the Pulitzer-winning author Lawrence Wright has a new book, which he began in the summer of 2017 and finished last October, long before this novel coronavirus surfaced. Which matters because it’s about a worldwide pandemic. Details here: https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780525658658

        • #398
          nikita
          Participant

          Ohhh, that’s too spooky. I don’t think I could read that book right now, but I imagine others will find a lot of dread/solace in it!

      • #381
        nikita
        Participant

        It really does feel wonderful to hear from others that it’s okay to just move on when stuck. I know that this short story I’m still *almost* finished with is one I’ve been working on off and on for two years! I’ll pick it up, set it down, and then come back to it when I feel ready. I finally feel like this is the last iteration.

        That research for your new book sounds fascinating! I’d love to hear your book idea and how it’s going. And what serendipity about Le Guin. She’s one of my favorite authors. Her books stir me. They’re concise and revolutionary in one go, and that magic is hard to come by. I’ll have to read the book you’re reading – I didn’t even know she wrote a book on writing, to be honest, so that’s a big one for me.

        Isolation is hard, but I’m glad you and your family are taking care and doing what you need to. We’ll all come out the other side together 🙂

        • #395
          Joe Menchaca
          Participant

          Hi Nikita,

          I love your assessment of Le Guin’s fiction because I think “concise and revolutionary” apply to her non-fiction work as well. To clarify, however, Words Are My Matter isn’t a how to book like William Zinsser’s On Writing Well, or Stephen King’s On Writing; it is instead a book in which close reading reveals to writers, whether emerging or established, literary gems that speak to what makes some writing good and some writing not. For example, in the essay, “Learning to Write Science Fiction from Virginia Woolf,” she says of Woolf, “she imagined a society vastly different from our own, an exotic world, and brought it dramatically alive. I’m thinking of the Elizabethan scenes, the winter when the Thames froze over. Reading, I was there, saw the bonfires blazing in the ice, felt the marvelous strangeness of that moment five hundred years ago—the authentic thrill of being taken absolutely elsewhere [emphasis Le Guin’s].” She then explains how Woolf accomplished that feat: “By precise, specific descriptive details, not heaped up and not explained: a vivid, telling imagery, highly selected, encouraging the reader’s imagination to fill out the picture and see it luminous and complete.” Yes, we learned about setting, detail, and imagery, so Le Guin isn’t really telling us anything new, but I found it quite helpful to think of precise, specific, and descriptive details as a sort of invitation for a reader to engage with one’s work on a deeper level—like inviting a reader to join you, the author, in an analog interactive session, so to speak. Moreover, her comments were helpful since I tend to heap up and explain details because I’m still working on trusting the reader to fill in the blanks. I was advised by a couple of professors to trust the reader, but the notion was and still is, to a degree, an abstraction to me. Indeed, up until now, I could only imagine The Reader as a concept: A nebulous formless composite of speculation and assumption. However, a totally unexpected benefit of reflecting on Le Guin’s words was visualizing the reader as an actual live human being holding and reading my book or story. Believe it or not, this is a huge development for me because not only is visualization a powerful tool, but giving “the reader” shape and solidity enables me to further remove me from the narrative and, thus, think in terms of how the reader (perhaps someone I know) would react to this word, this sentence, this story instead of how clever/profound/cool it sounds to me.

          The working title of my book is Quantum Wave Surfer. The story takes place at the intersection of science and spirituality, and I have you and Kazuo Ishiguro to thank for where I’m at with it. Back in September, you asked if anyone would like to join you in NaNoWriMo. The first I heard of NaNoWriMo was in one of my first classes and I remember thinking that the idea of writing a novel in a month was as absurd as the idea that humans built pyramids by rolling 100-ton blocks of granite on logs. My opinion, however, was based on the erroneous assumption that the goal was a finished product. Ignorance is not strength. But, as I wrote in my lengthy “…Troubled Times and Insecurities” post, I was floundering and your invitation planted a seed, a seed I confess I ignored until the last minute. And I mean the absolute last minute. On November first, I finally decided to research exactly what NaNoWriMo was all about. As I read the details, the sub-title of an article about Ishiguro in The Atlantic sprang to mind. The article was titled “Writing Advice From a (Newly Minted) Nobel Winner,” and the sub-title read: “Kazuo Ishiguro wrote the bulk of The Remains of the Day in four weeks. All it took was extreme dedication—and a willingness to be terrible.” So, I thought, hey, I can do that! At the end of November, I had a little over 45,000 words (though I cheated a bit and started with the 7,500 words I’d written in Novella class). I’ve since added approximately 5,000 words to the Word file version and another 15,000 or so handwritten words in my Writer’s Notebook. But the story locked up on me and now I’m stuck. I keep writing ideas, passages, and dialogue in my Writer’s Notebook as they occur, but the overall narrative arc remains elusive.

          • #399
            nikita
            Participant

            Wow, Joe! That’s wonderful that you have at least a point to start with and so many words fluttering around. It sounds like you need to look at your story from a whole new angle. Maybe writing each scene on a post-it or index card could help you figure out how to best rearrange them into a plot and arc, or writing letters from one character to another to better understand the shapes and sides of your story. It’ll come, whatever it’s supposed to be. It sounds like you have no lack of ideas and possibilities in this world you’re building.
            I know exactly what scene LeGuin was talking about when she described that passage of Woolf’s. “Orlando” changed me both as a person and a reader, which in turn shaped me as a writer. LeGuin’s right, she does transport you somewhere new. It’s so beautiful to think that Woolf’s fantastical understanding of the past shaped LeGuin’s versions of the future. We’re all just carving worlds out of worlds and drafting something fresh out of old feelings again and again and again and…
            If you ever want to have a Zoom talk to just kind of unload all the ideas and see if you could arrange them in any direction, I’d love to talk.

    • #370
      Sally Gates
      Participant

      Hi Nikita and Joe and all,
      It’s funny that I feel any need to cope at all, as isolated as I already am. But it is different. My online students are clearly worried yet some are working more with adults at home now monitoring what actually goes on in day.
      I love LeGuin, she was one of my first introductions to scifi/fantasy back in grade school.I should be producing a ton of work, but, I’m not. Still feeling stuck.
      I am reading both Erin Morgenstern’s The Starless Sea, and Kim Richardson’s The Book Woman of Troublesome Creek. I’m also listening to Jodi Picoult’s Nineteen Minutes. I’m struck by the story construction present to past to present in Picoult’s novel, the idea that there were pack horse/mule libraries in rural Kentucky in the Richardson novel, and Morgenstern’s work is incredible, the idea that a story labyrinth exists where there is such reverence, worship even, of every story every thought of.
      Stay safe!
      Sally

      • #380
        nikita
        Participant

        Hi, Sally!

        I think there’s totally no pressure to write right now, and that we’re all a little stuck. I’m full of ideas that are half-formed and get caught against my teeth before emerging. I think that’s pretty normal.

        I’ve never read any of those books! If I had to choose one, which one would you say I should pick up?

        • #394
          Sally Gates
          Participant

          Nikita,
          I’m not sure why I haven’t been getting notices of replies, but there you go. As far as Leguin, Tales from Earthsea, Gifts, and The Telling. I haven’t read anything of hers that I didn’t love and that didn’t make me think.
          Nineteen Minutes was striking as far as the perspective of the shooter and the families. Troublesome Creek I am loving for the regionalism and the lore-being a librarian by horseback is something I could see myself doing. 🙂 The Starless Sea I’ve set aside because of Creek, but I can’t wait to get back to it.
          How’s that for a non-answer?

      • #371
        Joseph.h
        Keymaster

        Hi, Sally! Wonderful to hear from you. Yes, Le Guin—a real genius who took what had been a geek boy‘s club (Science Fiction) with more than a little tinge of Libertarian “every man for himself” ideology and showed how the genre could become a force for mutual respect, social responsibility, cooperation, and spiritual openness. She was also a good poet (Finding My Elegy: News and Seleted Poems and fine translator (Tao Te Ching, poems of Gabriela Mistral, and more).

        As for your project, I would advise that you don‘t get hung up on it. Move on to something else entirely, in whatever genre. I think of Rainer Maria Rilke, who was suddenly inspired to begin The Duino Elegies in 1912 but got stuck, moved on to other poems, translations, essays on art … all sorts of things. He tinkered with the Elegies for 10 years until one day he was gobsmacked again and not only completed the Elegies but, in the same two or three months, wrote the 55-poem cycle Sonnets to Orpheus. The two works together are considered his supreme accomplishment as a poet, though there are individual masterpieces scattered throughout his work.

        I know you‘re not particularly interested in poetry, but the same has happened to writers in all genres at one time or another. The trick is to keep writing—other stories, nonfiction, poetry, book reviews, essays on ranch life, journaling … anything to maintain your readiness for when the book is ready to be completed. It will happen, but you need to keep your mind and heart attached to the writing process….

        Here endeth today‘s sermon!

    • #368
      Joseph.h
      Keymaster

      Hi, Nikita—

      It’s so good to hear from you. Traffic here has been low, no surprise, as we all (I‘m sure) struggle with the effects of all this. It‘s being called a 9/11-type event, and it does feel like that, though the attack is ideology-free (I‘m not counting the racist tendencies surfacing in attacks on Asian Americans, of course).

      I‘ve been reading poems online reacting to all this but can‘t write one myself. I‘ve always been a “seep-in” writer, with one exception—the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. An early version of my poem is here. This pandemic is just too overwhelming, I guess. I wish I could write something as uplifting and beautiful as the Irish poet Derek Mahon has in his poem “Everything Is Going to be All Right.” But we all do what we can do, yes?

      So it‘s good to know you‘re finalizing “Such a Peach.” I‘m sure the crew here would love to read the finished piece, but you may just want to send us a link when it‘s published.

      Take care of you and yours, amiga. This too shall pass….

      • #379
        nikita
        Participant

        Likewise, I haven’t been able to write anything about COVID, although I definitely admire folks who can. That poem by Mahon ripped through me! There’s definitely just a jumble of grief, staring into space, and refreshing my news feed all day. It’s not exactly healthy, but I think we’re doing our best, right?
        Gosh, a week goes by without responding, and in corona-time it feels like a month.

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