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  • #275
    Joseph.h
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    I’m breaking Authors Guild rules by posting this, but who’s gonna rat on me? Nobody here, I hope!

    This lengthy post by an Authors Guild member addresses a current practice by Amazon that basically cheats authors and publishers alike using Amazon’s “Buy Box” feature. Just something to be aware of as you all move toward publication….

    Posted on November 20
    by Mieke Eerkens

    Since my book, right after release, was affected by this issue, I have been following it and am getting more and more concerned, while other writers around me seem clueless that their main source of royalties is being drastically affected and don’t seem that bothered. I am wondering how aware other published authors (non self-publishing- traditionally published) are of this issue. See below.

    This past week, Publishers Weekly ran an article about Amazon reducing its orders to publishers for new books that they sell on their platform: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/bookselling/article/81708-amazon-reducing-orders-to-publishers.html. This is obviously a huge issue for publishers. My publisher, Macmillan/Picador, has already had issues.

    It seems pretty likely to me that this is connected to the whole “Buy Box” issue: https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/5/19/15596050/amazon-buy-box-publishing-controversy. Basically, Amazon has started auctioning off (as in, they make money off this, adding insult to injury) the “buy box” to third party sellers for our books. The customer won’t notice when they purchase a “new” book from Amazon by clicking “order”, but their order will be fulfilled by a third party. Now, it doesn’t matter if that third party has just one book to sell or more; they can pay Amazon 50 cents or whatever, and sell their copy as new through Amazon. *Technically*, of course, they are supposed to be selling a brand new book they bought from the publisher as a reseller. But it’s obvious this system is designed to make it easy to sell books sourced elsewhere and cut the publisher and writer out of the sale of a book (and income) they would have gotten had Amazon sold the book from their warehouses.

    A couple of weeks following my book release, I saw that my buy box had been won by a third party, and multiple different third parties won my buy box over the next period, because it kept changing names of who would fill the order (sometimes the buy box reverts back to Amazon itself for a while, until another third party wins the buy box.) Months after my book release, my mother told me one of her friends said she had ordered my book new from Amazon, and had received a galley from a third party- an uncorrected proof for reviewers. Andrew Sean Greer mentioned on Twitter that his book was being sold on Amazon and people were receiving poorly printed counterfeit books (this is the worst thing about this whole buy box thing- counterfeiters now have an easy way to distribute thousands of copies of books.) I saw a thread by Amazon sellers in which one seller wants to unload a bunch of books he got in a liquidations sale (in other words, not purchased from the publisher), and others telling him they sell “as new” books (aka secondhand books) via the buy box all the time, writing, “I spoke to an Amazon FBA Assistant and they said I didn’t need publishers invoices for NEW books. I’ve sold tons of books in NEW condition and was never asked once.” : https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/will-amazon-ever-give-the-buy-box-to-book-sellers-in-new-condition/311490?fbclid=IwAR1swqwH2fGm2fmi1qBiJCnsWkSTY-W8Q0s3ZxMQsKElL3AyxLjiQ-SVQjQ Writers and publishers do not earn a cent on these sales. The third party sellers earns, and Amazon earns, but we don’t.

    When I have complained about this, Amazon responds that they will penalize sellers who sell books that aren’t genuinely new, and that I should send them a report of sellers who are breaking the rules. But their whole system is designed to make that a completely useless form of control. First of all, a customer is not going to know to report receiving a book that isn’t new, and often they won’t know the source of the purchase so they won’t be aware that the writer and publishers aren’t earning anything from their purchase on Amazon. Second, even if you do report it, the damage is done and if a seller can sell one book then it’s just playing whack-a-mole, where you won’t even hit 90% of the moles.

    And now Amazon has stopped ordering as much inventory from publishers, probably because they are shifting from filling orders from their warehouses, to basically just being a platform for nameless, faceless third party sellers who have very few regulations imposed on them. The end result is that writers and publishers will lose a huge chunk of income and royalties they have worked hard to earn, since Amazon unfortunately remains the largest seller for our books. It’s beyond unfair and unscrupulous, but I get the sense that most writers (and even editors and publishing industry people) don’t quite understand how this works or how many sales they are getting cut out of.

    I would love for the Authors Guild and other writers to start pressuring Amazon (and for their publishers to pressure Amazon) to only allow third party sellers of books to be pre-screened official booksellers (independent bookstores) who (importantly) have to upload a scan of their purchase order from the publisher as a reseller (verified by the publisher) in order to sell a particular book. This is the only way to safeguard against abuse of this system, which currently seems to encourage abuse by its design.

    I’m hopeful that pressure will be brought to Amazon to adopt a more transparent process so that publishers and their authors will be protected from predatory third party vendors….

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    • #286
      nikita
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      Oh wow, this is just awful! Sometimes it’s so discouraging out there. What are people saying we can do about it? I struggle with this because I want to be a published author who somehow is wholly congruent with my values in terms of the ways I publish, and I haven’t figured out how those work out yet – but I know that Amazon doesn’t really fit into that puzzle.

      • #293
        Joseph.h
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        I didn’t mean to be discouraging, Nikita! I think there are many pathways for authors who expect and deserve (1) to be paid for their work, (2) to work with publishers who fairly support their authors, and (3) to participate as much as they care to in the way they and their work are presented to readers. Amazon has absolutely no interest in authors or publishers, whom they view as being essentially the same as makers of light-up snow globes or erotic bed-time clothing. If you can train yourself to see your writing this way, Amazon is one way to go.

        But Amazon isn’t alone in this nor is it the main culprit. We have an immensely archaic system for getting creative work produced and presented to its natural audience. I was in the book business proper for a few years before Amazon came along, when we thought the main culprits were chain bookstores: Borders, B. Dalton, Barnes & Noble, etc. To some extent this was true and is still the case. When my collection of narrative poems, Marked Men, came out in 2013. I was told by three different B&N stores they simply did not do book signings for poetry. Why not? Because the audience for that genre is small, and B&N–like all bookstores–is in business to make money. It costs a store just as much to mount a book signing for Barbara Kingsolver or Peter Heller as it does to bring in little ol’ me. So some blockages are built into the model.

        If certain pathways are blocked, what do we do? First, we keep writing, keep submitting, and work on creating our own audience. My feeling is that the audience arises out of community, by which I don’t mean a necessarily local community. I’m thinking of the community you’re building with your wonderful website (https://nikitaandester.com/), a site I’ve wandered through amid feelings of joy and envy. I don’t know how your list-building is going, but I think you’re on exactly the right path.

        In the long run, you’re not going to want to do all this stuff yourself. You’ll want an agent, a web master (you seem to have one, slick as your site is), and some kind of support for reviewing publishing contracts. I always recommend The Authors Guild because they off free-to-members contract reviews by lawyers who are fully up to speed on the current publishing ecosystem.

        Whatever the path, you have to cultivate a bit of cunning….

        • #301
          nikita
          Participant

          You’re right; I shouldn’t be discouraged. There’s a lot of room in our world for success, too. These things do affect us, but it’s not the only culprit, you’re right. How frustrating about B&N not doing a signing for you! Did you have more luck with local bookstores, or was there some other process you went through to make it work?

          Thank you for saying that about my website! I actually built it myself on Squarespace. It took a few days, but it’s really been worth it and updating with my latest articles is easy. I actually haven’t gathered a list yet, but it’s my 2020 plan to have a monthly update I send out on articles and creative projects. It’s been great to lay the foundations now and see wehre it goes.

          I’ve never looked through the Authors Guild, but now that I’ve looked it over I’m definitely signing up for a Professional Membership at the beginning of the year! 2020 is my year for taking myself (even more) seriously as a writing professional, and this seems like a great step. Thanks for always being such a well of information and community well after I graduated!

          • #302
            Joseph.h
            Keymaster

            It’s very much my pleasure, amiga, to contribute however I can.

            The book business has been suffering since … oh, the days book stalls in St. Paul’s churchyard circa 1570. Context is everything!

            But yes, indie stores are the places to be. My haunt in Denver is BookBar (https://www.bookbardenver.com/) Nicole Sullivan, the owner, is powerful supporter of writers. She started the store because the book groups she was in had trouble getting the books they wanted in a timely manner….

            I haven’t messed around with Squarespace. It looks great!

          • #307
            nikita
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            Oh Book Bar is a gem! I’m moving to Portland this month and am excited to uncover the book community and finally put some roots down and get to know the local area. I used to live right around Book Bar :), and I’m sure Portland will have no lack of indie bookstores.
            The context issue reminds me of a podcast I listened to last night where they quoted a Roman philosopher bemoaning how the sundial was now dictating his days too acutely…I can only imagine what he’d think of our obsession with timing to the minute today.

          • #310
            Joseph.h
            Keymaster

            Oh! Oh! Don’t miss Powell’s Books in downtown Portland. (https://www.powells.com/) A converted car dealership serving Portland bookies since 1971. Plan to spend the whole day. Seriously. It’s more or less the center of the book universe in the Northwest.

            As for your Roman philosopher … clearly, time is too precious to waste on clocks!

    • #277
      Sally Gates
      Participant

      Wow, Joe. This is terrible, but typical of Amazon as they “hold the power” over so many things digital. Ugh.

      • #305
        nikita
        Participant

        They really do! Sometimes I zoom out and think about it and just feel like my head’s going to burst.

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